Two part series finale time – Missy, Cybermen, a ranting shouty Doctor, and Clara’s beau Danny Pink gets run over and killed. Clara deceives The Doctor and blackmails him into changing that not so minor inconvenience.
So, Missy was The Master – not really a great shock or that surprising considering the name was a clue. One I guessed right back at Deep Breath but for a moment during those closing minutes I thought for one moment she would be Romana gone renegade. So this one truly is an open thread – what do you want to talk about either this episode or the second part due next week?
9 thoughts on “Open Thread: Dark Water”
I’m quite pleased that it’s the Master (I’d guessed the possibility but wondered if it was a bit obvious) intrigued to know whether she really is weirdly infatuated with the Doctor or if she’s just messing with him. And ‘all the greys of London are about to give birth’ – how’s that going to work?!
The comment about “where you left me to die” had me wondering for a moment in a cool sleight of hand whether she would in fact become Romana gone renegade; despite that I predicted this right back with Deep Breath, I am pleased.
It’s also got me wondering about how he could become a she. Moffat dismissed all the protests about a female Doctor last year, referring to Helen Mirren’s comment with a retort about “I agree and I also think the title role in the next film about the Queen should be played by a man”.
I’m guessing they will get around this by it not being a regeneration, but some sort of body-hijack – (perhaps even harvesting a dead Timelady’s body?) something I think he has tried before. I’m sure CJ Moseley will be along later with his in depth knowledge of Who lore to explain how it may have happened.
I don’t know what that means, perhaps it means all the old people are about to die and become Cybermen therefore “giving birth” to the new army?
Rewatched with subtitles – silly me it was ‘all the graves of London’ not greys. Makes far more sense!
They established the possibility of gender changes with the throwaway comment the 11th made about the Corsair. But maybe there will be more to it.
As for being able to feel it, I thought all timelords knew each other for what they were on sight?
Ahh, that makes sense!
I had forgotten about the Corsair – did that come before Moffat made his comment about a man playing the Queen?
Pah, you know as well as I do that the rules change writer to writer and Doctor to Doctor ;)
Haha the rules change, and the Doctor lies…not as much as Moffat does!
No idea when the Queen comment was made but the Corsair comment was in Neil Gaiman’s first episode, the Doctor’s Wife.
I reckon it’s possible but a bit gimmicky…actually rather than paving the way for a female incarnation, I think having a female Master makes it less likely I think – certainly whilst the Master is female, having a female Doctor as well would be overkill even by today’s ‘women can leave the kitchen’ wonderful standards ;)
Moffat made that comment in that hour long special they had to announce Capaldi as the new Doctor. Yeah, he has gone back on his word several times but I don’t think he will on this as it will divide fans too much. I can’t see The Master being a simple regeneration here, there’s bound to be more to it.
If Kate Stewart is likely to be recurring too, then yes it’ll be just a shade short of The Wicker Man.
I watched both parts together. Yes, it took some willpower. Although this build up episode did set up the concept and finale very well, it was just that, an introduction. It was a shame it couldn’t have something of its own plot.
Just another middling episode for me; my only complaint is that there have been too many of those.
I didn’t watch Death in Heaven until late last night as I was travelling back from Cornwall. I am about to do a post on the final episode :)
Good. I’ll be there.